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A new adventure in life for me... (155948)

Post by Yahoo_Upload » 18 Mar 2013 04:50

I've been diagnosed with moderate sleep apnea so tonite will start a new lifestyle for me. I am REALLY looking forward to feeling better and having energy for more than just getting thru the day.

I imagine there are some others on the list that deal with this issue on a daily basis so I was wondering if someone could answer a question for me. If you either elect to dry camp or happen to lose power while staying at a campground, what do you use as a backup power source for the machine?

My initial thought was that we'd put the refrig on propane and turn on the inverter, but I'm not sure how many hours of use I'd get that way.

Thanks for any help/advice that y'all can provide to a sleep apnea newbie. Please feel free to contact me by private email if you'd prefer to take this subject off list <rver32940@...>.

Dee in FL
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Re: A new adventure in life for me... (155954)

Post by Yahoo_Upload » 18 Mar 2013 06:14

When dry camping I just make sure my batteries are charged at night and I don't put a heavy load on them. I've never had a problem with them going dead before morning.

Once you get the setting right, a CPAP machine makes a world of difference. It used to take me 8 to 9 hours sleep to feel really rested. Now I feel great after 7. Do t get tired during the day either.

For those that want to track their own health, free software called Sleepyhead is available that reads the CPAP data card and maps all the parameters. Great when on the road and you want to check the numbers.

Glen
08 Neptune

--- In Monacoers@yahoogroups.com, "Dee" wrote:
>
> I've been diagnosed with moderate sleep apnea so tonite will start a new lifestyle for me. I am REALLY looking forward to feeling better and having energy for more than just getting thru the day.
>
> I imagine there are some others on the list that deal with this issue on a daily basis so I was wondering if someone could answer a question for me. If you either elect to dry camp or happen to lose power while staying at a campground, what do you use as a backup power source for the machine?
>
> My initial thought was that we'd put the refrig on propane and turn on the inverter, but I'm not sure how many hours of use I'd get that way.
>
> Thanks for any help/advice that y'all can provide to a sleep apnea newbie. Please feel free to contact me by private email if you'd prefer to take this subject off list .
>
> Dee in FL
>
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Re: A new adventure in life for me... (155955)

Post by Yahoo_Upload » 18 Mar 2013 06:22

As you research for your first cpap machine, there are very small units available that do not use much power. Some are available in 12V, with 110V adapters for use in the house. Some have water humidifiers, if you need that, they do consume more power. There are also units available with their own battery pack.

Having said all that, my wife and I both use CPAP machines with humidifiers. With batteries fully charged when we go to bed, they are ready to be charged when we wake up in the morning.

I'm sure you will be glad that your sleep apnea has been diagnosed. I don't think you can have moderate sleep apnea, any more than you can be just a little bit pregnant.

Jim Sanderson
1995 Monaco Dynasty 36'
Canada, eh?

--- In Monacoers@yahoogroups.com, "Dee" wrote:
>
> I've been diagnosed with moderate sleep apnea so tonite will start a new lifestyle for me. I am REALLY looking forward to feeling better and having energy for more than just getting thru the day.
>
> I imagine there are some others on the list that deal with this issue on a daily basis so I was wondering if someone could answer a question for me. If you either elect to dry camp or happen to lose power while staying at a campground, what do you use as a backup power source for the machine?
>
> My initial thought was that we'd put the refrig on propane and turn on the inverter, but I'm not sure how many hours of use I'd get that way.
>
> Thanks for any help/advice that y'all can provide to a sleep apnea newbie. Please feel free to contact me by private email if you'd prefer to take this subject off list .
>
> Dee in FL
>
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Re: A new adventure in life for me... (155957)

Post by Yahoo_Upload » 18 Mar 2013 06:41

Consider buying a machine that will run on either 12V or 120V. Next do a test run at home or CG where you have AC but leave the rig unplugged and find out how many hours the batteries will last. You should have a digital voltmeter and periodically check the battery voltage.

Many have done this and found that the batteries are good for one night.

Most refers will automatically switch to propane should the CG power shut down.

Using an inverter would tend to use more power which now includes the inverter efficiency and anything else on the inverter output.

There are many options and variations available.

Bob S

--- In Monacoers@yahoogroups.com, "Dee" wrote:
>
> I've been diagnosed with moderate sleep apnea so tonite will start a new lifestyle for me. I am REALLY looking forward to feeling better and having energy for more than just getting thru the day.
>
> I imagine there are some others on the list that deal with this issue on a daily basis so I was wondering if someone could answer a question for me. If you either elect to dry camp or happen to lose power while staying at a campground, what do you use as a backup power source for the machine?
>
> My initial thought was that we'd put the refrig on propane and turn on the inverter, but I'm not sure how many hours of use I'd get that way.
>
> Thanks for any help/advice that y'all can provide to a sleep apnea newbie. Please feel free to contact me by private email if you'd prefer to take this subject off list .
>
> Dee in FL
>
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Re: A new adventure in life for me... (155958)

Post by Yahoo_Upload » 18 Mar 2013 06:45

Dee,

My wife has used the CPAP for over a year and we boondock a lot. However, the CPAP is just one thing on your coach that is drawing current. You total current draw (stuff you have turned on - like the CPAP and stuff that stays turned on - like the microwave clock) all affect the current draw on your batteries.

I would test this (boondock) for a night or two so you will know if your CPAP is going to cause you problems by adding its current draw to everything else and running down your batteries.

Good luck.

Ron Jones
Retired Military (Army)
Retired Professor
Retired Publisher
Active Writer
Serious RVer
www.aboutrving.com
'07 Dynasty



On Mar 18, 2013, at 11:50 AM, Dee wrote:
> I've been diagnosed with moderate sleep apnea so tonite will start a new lifestyle for me. I am REALLY looking forward to feeling better and having energy for more than just getting thru the day.
>
> I imagine there are some others on the list that deal with this issue on a daily basis so I was wondering if someone could answer a question for me. If you either elect to dry camp or happen to lose power while staying at a campground, what do you use as a backup power source for the machine?
>
> My initial thought was that we'd put the refrig on propane and turn on the inverter, but I'm not sure how many hours of use I'd get that way.
>
> Thanks for any help/advice that y'all can provide to a sleep apnea newbie. Please feel free to contact me by private email if you'd prefer to take this subject off list <rver32940@...>.
>
> Dee in FL
>



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Re: A new adventure in life for me... (155959)

Post by Yahoo_Upload » 18 Mar 2013 07:13

Look for one that can run off 12 VDC. Many can. I use a ResMed
RemStarPLUS with a humidifier. I find the humidifier essential here in
Colorado. But the humidifier draws 4-5 Amps @ 12 Volts. The machine
without the humidifier turned on only draws approx 1 Amp.

I carry a dedicated 12 Volt Deep Cycle battery so I wouldn't run down
the boat batteries, or my coach battery. I do a lot of camping/boating
where I can't reach a "current bush". I found I could go 4 -6 nights
before the CPAP built-in low voltage (I don't know what it is set at)
cutoff would activate. After a few years of doing this, I still carry
the battery, but don't use it. I connect directly to the boat or coach
12 system (installed cigar lighter outlets in the bedroom just this past
Janurary). I find much of the time I don't need the humidifier
(especially when scuba diving in the Caribbean), but always take it.

I have also purchased an identical model off Craigslist for 1/4 the
price of a new one. I now have a dedicated "travel" machine and a
"home" machine. It sure saves times when loading up early in the
morning not to have to pack the CPAP. I got identical machines so
replacement parts are fully interchangeable. My insurance pays for
replacement/consumable items. It keeps things simple.

I researched the very small and lower draw (no humidifier) CPAP before I
purchased mine, but found they lacked features and were very noisy. The
only time I or anyone sleeping in the same room even hears my CPAP is if
it's dead quiet. Not usually found, since there is usually a fan for
A/C or heat or noise from outside with the windows open that easily
drowns out my machine. During my dive travels, many "roommates" and
remarked how quite mine is, or they can't even tell it's on.
-Rick N.
1997 32-ft Dynasty, 325 Cummins
On 3/18/2013 10:50 AM, Dee wrote:
>
> I've been diagnosed with moderate sleep apnea so tonite will start a
> new lifestyle for me. I am REALLY looking forward to feeling better
> and having energy for more than just getting thru the day.
>
> I imagine there are some others on the list that deal with this issue
> on a daily basis so I was wondering if someone could answer a question
> for me. If you either elect to dry camp or happen to lose power while
> staying at a campground, what do you use as a backup power source for
> the machine?
>
> My initial thought was that we'd put the refrig on propane and turn on
> the inverter, but I'm not sure how many hours of use I'd get that way.
>
> Thanks for any help/advice that y'all can provide to a sleep apnea
> newbie. Please feel free to contact me by private email if you'd
> prefer to take this subject off list <rver32940@...
> >.
>
> Dee in FL
>
>



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Re: A new adventure in life for me... (155960)

Post by Yahoo_Upload » 18 Mar 2013 07:23

I have used a CPAP/VPAP for a long time and had the same question about good power for the machine because of the electronics. I had a concern about using the modified sine wave 115v from the inverter in just the dry camping or power outage situation.

If you look carefully on the back of your machine you will likely see a typical 12v input (just like the usual battery/power supply). Check with the manufacturer to make sure an automotive battery wired direct to the machine will be ok without any additional equipment. Then you can get a cigarette lighter plug, and plug directly into a 12v cigarette lighter outlet. One fellow actually cut into a 12v line supplying power to a florescent in a cornice above a window in the bedroom and put in a 12v outlet hidden behind the cornice. It proved additionally useful for using a laptop and a small fan when dry camping on a warm night. Very clever actually.

Dave F
'95 Safari Ivory Edition, 38', Cummins, 2004 Liberty toad
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Re: A new adventure in life for me... (155961)

Post by Yahoo_Upload » 18 Mar 2013 07:29

I forgot to add in my first reply, and I am still in more a "tent
camping" frame of mind versus "resort camping". By that I mean that I
am very frugal with power. I still have the propane refer (it's a small
coach so it's the 800 series - not the infamous 1200) so I turn of the
inverter. In fact, I rarely turn on the inverter. If I need AC power,
then I start the generator, since I need to charge batteries anyway. I
don't watch TV, or use the DVR to record shows when I'm not connect to
shore power. I can go 3 - 4 days before recharging the batteries (using
the CPAP), but I use propane lanterns for light (outside), cook on
propane, heat water with propane. The water pump along with the
electronics that monitor the propane appliances, and my cell phone are
the major consumers of power when dry camping (now my CPAP too).

I've owned an RV for 35 years, but never "lived" in them. By that, I
mean that during the day, I was always outside boating, waterskiing,
hiking, 4x4-ing, etc. I didn't sit in the coach during the day watching
the TV or reading, unless the weather was really bad, in which case I'd
often elect to return home. Most of my use was weekend or extended
weekends, so I wasn't that far away anyway and if I couldn't do what I
was there to do, might as well come home. I am slowly migrating to the
luxury the Monaco provides, and since I've retired I can take longer
trips further away, and maybe won't be as frugal in coming years. Old
habits are hard to break. I've had my Dynasty just one year this month.
-Rick N.
1997 32-ft Dynasty, 325 Cummins


On 3/18/2013 12:45 PM, Ronald Jones wrote:
>
> Dee,
>
> My wife has used the CPAP for over a year and we boondock a lot.
> However, the CPAP is just one thing on your coach that is drawing
> current. You total current draw (stuff you have turned on - like the
> CPAP and stuff that stays turned on - like the microwave clock) all
> affect the current draw on your batteries.
>
> I would test this (boondock) for a night or two so you will know if
> your CPAP is going to cause you problems by adding its current draw to
> everything else and running down your batteries.
>
> Good luck.
>
> Ron Jones
> Retired Military (Army)
> Retired Professor
> Retired Publisher
> Active Writer
> Serious RVer
> www.aboutrving.com
> '07 Dynasty
>
> On Mar 18, 2013, at 11:50 AM, Dee wrote:
> > I've been diagnosed with moderate sleep apnea so tonite will start a
> new lifestyle for me. I am REALLY looking forward to feeling better
> and having energy for more than just getting thru the day.
> >
> > I imagine there are some others on the list that deal with this
> issue on a daily basis so I was wondering if someone could answer a
> question for me. If you either elect to dry camp or happen to lose
> power while staying at a campground, what do you use as a backup power
> source for the machine?
> >
> > My initial thought was that we'd put the refrig on propane and turn
> on the inverter, but I'm not sure how many hours of use I'd get that way.
> >
> > Thanks for any help/advice that y'all can provide to a sleep apnea
> newbie. Please feel free to contact me by private email if you'd
> prefer to take this subject off list <rver32940@...
> >.
> >
> > Dee in FL
> >
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>



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Re: A new adventure in life for me... (155964)

Post by Yahoo_Upload » 18 Mar 2013 07:53

Dee,
I have had my CPAP for 5 years and much of that as a full time RVer. One thing to make sure is that the machine you get is a 12V machine that can also operate on 120V. I run my CPAP with the humidifier strictly on 12V without any problem. That way I do not need to use the inverter and waste battery power. Do NOT let them try and foist off their cheapest machine on you. There is a CPAP forum that I will list at the end, with over 65,500 members and a wealth of information.

Select your DME provider with care, as they will make or break your satisfaction with the machine and supplies. You have the ABSOLUTE right to choose the DME and the equipment you want, if on Medicare and if not then work with your existing insurance carrier to get who you want not the low bidder that your insurance company will try and make you use......Been there done that. If you need more info, email me at b.lindsey @ yahoo.com
Bob L.

http://www.cpaptalk.com/CPAP-Sleep-Apnea-Forum.html



--- In Monacoers@yahoogroups.com, "Dee" wrote:
>
> I've been diagnosed with moderate sleep apnea so tonite will start a new lifestyle for me. I am REALLY looking forward to feeling better and having energy for more than just getting thru the day.
>
> I imagine there are some others on the list that deal with this issue on a daily basis so I was wondering if someone could answer a question for me. If you either elect to dry camp or happen to lose power while staying at a campground, what do you use as a backup power source for the machine?
>
> My initial thought was that we'd put the refrig on propane and turn on the inverter, but I'm not sure how many hours of use I'd get that way.
>
> Thanks for any help/advice that y'all can provide to a sleep apnea newbie. Please feel free to contact me by private email if you'd prefer to take this subject off list .
>
> Dee in FL
>
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Re: A new adventure in life for me... (155969)

Post by Yahoo_Upload » 18 Mar 2013 08:34

Dee
I have been using a CPAP machine every night for 18 months.
Mine is a Philips Respironics "REMstar Pro", with Auto IQ".
It runs on 12VDC which is supplied by an included 120VAC power supply.

When dry camping I simply eliminate the 120VAC power supply/cord, and replace it with a 12VDC power cord.
That 12V power cord I plug that into a house battery powered cigarette lighter socket, (which I added near my night stand).
It has worked well with little noticeable affect on the batteries.

However, I only use the CPAP's humidifier function if/when we have shore power.
BTW, my prescribed pressure is, (and my CPAP is set to output),
14 cm of H2O...(I believe lesser pressures will use less battery power).

Mel S

--- In Monacoers@yahoogroups.com, "Dee" wrote:
>
> I've been diagnosed with moderate sleep apnea so tonite will start a new lifestyle for me. I am REALLY looking forward to feeling better and having energy for more than just getting thru the day.
>
> I imagine there are some others on the list that deal with this issue on a daily basis so I was wondering if someone could answer a question for me. If you either elect to dry camp or happen to lose power while staying at a campground, what do you use as a backup power source for the machine?
>
> My initial thought was that we'd put the refrig on propane and turn on the inverter, but I'm not sure how many hours of use I'd get that way.
>
> Thanks for any help/advice that y'all can provide to a sleep apnea newbie. Please feel free to contact me by private email if you'd prefer to take this subject off list .
>
> Dee in FL
>
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