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$30 is a lot for an adapter cord.
I had an old cord from a 12V TV that works for my Philips Respironics "RemStar" CPAP.
Perfectly good used 12V cords can be found at Goodwill stores for $1.99....(find one with the proper end and verify the polarity of the end opposite the cigarette lighter plug).
Mel S
'96 Sahara, 12V CPAP w/humidifier

--- In Monacoers@yahoogroups.com, Rick Nelson wrote:
>
> Dee,
>
> a 12 volt DC cord/adapter. Part Number 109758. Sells for around $30. I strongly recommend you get the "official manufacturers" adapter.
>
>
-Rick N.

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This sounds like the way the Fed Government would do it.... Are you a
retired Fed Worker?

Sorry had to do it
ROFL

Mikee


In a message dated 3/19/2013 12:14:05 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
jeffonboat@... writes:



Thanks to everyone for helping me kick my brain into gear. My first CPAP
machine, which I got nearly 15 years ago ran on AC only. Because I was
living on my boat at the time, I started using the small inverter as a
"clever" way of using my machine and conserving amps.

My "new" machine, which I got about six years ago, runs on 12 vdc. But,
out of force of habit, I never really thought about it - duh. So I have
been making AC with my small inverter only to convert it back to 12vdc
using the power cord that came with the unit.

Thanks to his discussion, I will very soon get a dc power cord - and
save even more amps.


Jeff Huntington '97 Dynasty 40






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Rick,

Trying to copy the company solution is not only difficult but not
cost effective and not reliable.

Get a plastic light bulb cage/socket with a short pigtail that you
can put a standard plug on. They are available at HD and probably
Lowe's. Now get an inline thermostat at HD and plug the light into
it. Run an extension cord over from the bay with the outlet to
supply the power. All done and a 52 watt light bulb will supply
plenty of heat to below zero ambient tempratures.

Bill D.


At 01:41 PM 3/19/2013, you wrote:

>Has anyone here added a heater to the wet bay on their coach? Mine
>didn't come with one. I think I've read that they consisted of a snap
>disc as a thermostat to control when they went on and off. I've also
>read about heat strips/pads applied directly to the tanks (not sure if
>just the fresh water tank or the holding tanks too). I think there is
>also some sort of electric fan assisted heater to keep the plumbing from
>freezing in the bay.
>
>I'm not sure it's cost efficient to try to duplicate exactly what Monaco
>installed, but I do need something. I had success with installing a
>small 110VAC space heater in the bay this past fall, when temps got down
>to below freezing at night. I think I could maintain the bay area above
>35 degrees even in sub zero temps with that little heater. I'm not sure
>that maintaining the bay are temp would ensure the holding tanks won't
>freeze, nor the water heater tank if not on. But I'm can't (won't) run
>that while driving. Last January, I left home with a winterized coach
>and didn't unwinterize (or is it dewinterize?) until 2 days later, in
>Phoenix, because I was concerned about freezing while driving. I don't
>(haven't needed to) run the furnace while driving. Especially if it's
>warm when I depart, and there is any sun out, the dash heat and solar
>gain are sufficient to keep me warm while driving. But, the wet bay get
>cold - below freezing while driving since there is no supplemental heat.
>
I checked the Parts List, and it shows the snap disk, and two Bay
>Heaters, the original Monaco 3000RV Cargo Bay Heater (which I've read is
>now out of business) and a Family Safety Products link to a Back Seat
>Heater Plus 12 Volt. I can find that heater. But I find no mention of
>the heat pads/strips that apply directly to the tank. I know there are
>generic heat strips, but I don't know how hot they get. I don't want to
>melt my tanks! Also, I'm not sure of their availability in 12 VDC.
>
>Any recommendations or guidance from the group would be wonderful.
>
>Along these lines, does anyone know if there is a vent for the furnace
>(no AquaHot) into the bay for when parked and furnace is running? I
>know I can use a 110 VAC space heater there, but wondered if Monaco made
>any provisions for heating the bay other than relying on the 12 Volt
>heater and pads?
>
>Thanks,
>
>
-Rick N.
>1997 32-ft Dynasty, 325 Cummins
>
>
>
>
>
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Rick
I use an electric ceramic 120vac heater behind the water bay, (set @ low heat, 750 watts).
It is plugged into one of these:
http://www.smarthome.com/7143/Thermo-Cube-TC-3-On-at-35-Degrees-Off-at-45-Degrees/p.aspx
There is a snap disc in the Thermo Cube TC-3 that turns the heater ON at 35 Deg. F and OFF at 45 Deg. F, (it can control handle up to 1800 watts).
I have no 12V heaters, (but the Thermo Cube can also be used to control 12V heaters).
I use that 120VAC heater only when on shore or genset power.

When os temps are below freezing I monitor the temperature near the tanks and wet bay with a remote thermometer.
The LP furnace, which I sometimes operate while driving, has never failed to keep things from freezing, but I have never camped in temps colder than 15 deg F.
I winterize the water and sewer systems if it will be colder than that.
Mel S
'96 Safari

--- In Monacoers@yahoogroups.com, Rick Nelson wrote:
>
> Has anyone here added a heater to the wet bay on their coach? Mine
> didn't come with one. I think I've read that they consisted of a snap disc as a thermostat to control when they went on and off. I've also read about heat strips/pads applied directly to the tanks (not sure if just the fresh water tank or the holding tanks too). I think there is also some sort of electric fan assisted heater to keep the plumbing from freezing in the bay.
>
> I'm not sure it's cost efficient to try to duplicate exactly what Monaco installed, but I do need something. I had success with installing a small 110VAC space heater in the bay this past fall, when temps got down to below freezing at night. I think I could maintain the bay area above 35 degrees even in sub zero temps with that little heater. I'm not sure that maintaining the bay are temp would ensure the holding tanks won't
freeze, nor the water heater tank if not on. But I'm can't (won't) run that while driving. Last January, I left home with a winterized coach and didn't unwinterize (or is it dewinterize?) until 2 days later, in Phoenix, because I was concerned about freezing while driving. I don't (haven't needed to) run the furnace while driving. Especially if it's warm when I depart, and there is any sun out, the dash heat and solar gain are sufficient to keep me warm while driving. But, the wet bay get cold - below freezing while driving since there is no supplemental heat.
> I checked the Parts List, and it shows the snap disk, and two Bay
> Heaters, the original Monaco 3000RV Cargo Bay Heater (which I've read is now out of business) and a Family Safety Products link to a Back Seat
> Heater Plus 12 Volt. I can find that heater. But I find no mention of the heat pads/strips that apply directly to the tank. I know there are generic heat strips, but I don't know how hot they get. I don't want to melt my tanks! Also, I'm not sure of their availability in 12 VDC.
>
> Any recommendations or guidance from the group would be wonderful.
>
> Along these lines, does anyone know if there is a vent for the furnace (no AquaHot) into the bay for when parked and furnace is running? I know I can use a 110 VAC space heater there, but wondered if Monaco made any provisions for heating the bay other than relying on the 12 Volt heater and pads?
>
> Thanks,
>
>
-Rick N.
> 1997 32-ft Dynasty, 325 Cummins
>

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If you have a "Tractor Supply" store close by, they usually have that ThermoCube device in-stock.

Ron R.
2007 Diplomat LE 40PDQ

--- In Monacoers@yahoogroups.com, "stuplich@..." wrote:
>
> Rick
> I use an electric ceramic 120vac heater behind the water bay, (set @ low heat, 750 watts).
> It is plugged into one of these:
> http://www.smarthome.com/7143/Thermo-Cube-TC-3-On-at-35-Degrees-Off-at-45-Degrees/p.aspx
> There is a snap disc in the Thermo Cube TC-3 that turns the heater ON at 35 Deg. F and OFF at 45 Deg. F, (it can control handle up to 1800 watts).
> I have no 12V heaters, (but the Thermo Cube can also be used to control 12V heaters).
> I use that 120VAC heater only when on shore or genset power.
>
> When os temps are below freezing I monitor the temperature near the tanks and wet bay with a remote thermometer.
> The LP furnace, which I sometimes operate while driving, has never failed to keep things from freezing, but I have never camped in temps colder than 15 deg F.
> I winterize the water and sewer systems if it will be colder than that.
> Mel S
> '96 Safari
>

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Bill,

I have a solution for when I have 120 VAC power. I'm looking for one
that doesn't require the inverter (poor way of heating) for when I'm
driving down the road.
Rick N.

On 3/19/2013 2:19 PM, Bill Duckwitz wrote:
>
> Rick,
>
> Trying to copy the company solution is not only difficult but not
> cost effective and not reliable.
>
> Get a plastic light bulb cage/socket with a short pigtail that you
> can put a standard plug on. They are available at HD and probably
> Lowe's. Now get an inline thermostat at HD and plug the light into
> it. Run an extension cord over from the bay with the outlet to
> supply the power. All done and a 52 watt light bulb will supply
> plenty of heat to below zero ambient tempratures.
>
> Bill D.
>
> At 01:41 PM 3/19/2013, you wrote:
> >Has anyone here added a heater to the wet bay on their coach? Mine
> >didn't come with one. I think I've read that they consisted of a snap
> >disc as a thermostat to control when they went on and off. I've also
> >read about heat strips/pads applied directly to the tanks (not sure if
> >just the fresh water tank or the holding tanks too). I think there is
> >also some sort of electric fan assisted heater to keep the plumbing from
> >freezing in the bay.
> >
> >I'm not sure it's cost efficient to try to duplicate exactly what Monaco
> >installed, but I do need something. I had success with installing a
> >small 110VAC space heater in the bay this past fall, when temps got down
> >to below freezing at night. I think I could maintain the bay area above
> >35 degrees even in sub zero temps with that little heater. I'm not sure
> >that maintaining the bay are temp would ensure the holding tanks won't
> >freeze, nor the water heater tank if not on. But I'm can't (won't) run
> >that while driving. Last January, I left home with a winterized coach
> >and didn't unwinterize (or is it dewinterize?) until 2 days later, in
> >Phoenix, because I was concerned about freezing while driving. I don't
> >(haven't needed to) run the furnace while driving. Especially if it's
> >warm when I depart, and there is any sun out, the dash heat and solar
> >gain are sufficient to keep me warm while driving. But, the wet bay get
> >cold - below freezing while driving since there is no supplemental heat.
> > I checked the Parts List, and it shows the snap disk, and two Bay
> >Heaters, the original Monaco 3000RV Cargo Bay Heater (which I've read is
> >now out of business) and a Family Safety Products link to a Back Seat
> >Heater Plus 12 Volt. I can find that heater. But I find no mention of
> >the heat pads/strips that apply directly to the tank. I know there are
> >generic heat strips, but I don't know how hot they get. I don't want to
> >melt my tanks! Also, I'm not sure of their availability in 12 VDC.
> >
> >Any recommendations or guidance from the group would be wonderful.
> >
> >Along these lines, does anyone know if there is a vent for the furnace
> >(no AquaHot) into the bay for when parked and furnace is running? I
> >know I can use a 110 VAC space heater there, but wondered if Monaco made
> >any provisions for heating the bay other than relying on the 12 Volt
> >heater and pads?
> >
> >Thanks,
> >
> > -Rick N.
> >1997 32-ft Dynasty, 325 Cummins
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >------------------------------------
> >
> >Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
>
>



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I used a unit from outfit called 4-wheel drive --- it called a back set
heater it 12 volt and works good -- they use them in jeeps as a back set
heater --- Ken and Mary King 02 Windsor /crv and jeep


In a message dated 3/19/2013 5:45:53 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
testx@... writes:


If you have a "Tractor Supply" store close by, they usually have that
ThermoCube device in-stock.

Ron R.
2007 Diplomat LE 40PDQ

--- In _Monacoers@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:Monacoers@yahoogroups.com) ,
"stuplich@..." wrote:

>
> Rick
> I use an electric ceramic 120vac heater behind the water bay, (set @ low

heat, 750 watts).

> It is plugged into one of these:
>

_http://www.smarthome.com/7143/Thermo-Cube-TC-3-On-at-35-Degrees-Off-at-45-Degrees/p.aspx_
(http://www.smarthome.com/7143/Thermo-Cube-TC-3-On-at-35-Degrees-Off-at-45-Degrees/p.aspx)

> There is a snap disc in the Thermo Cube TC-3 that turns the heater ON at

35 Deg. F and OFF at 45 Deg. F, (it can control handle up to 1800 watts).

> I have no 12V heaters, (but the Thermo Cube can also be used to control

12V heaters).

> I use that 120VAC heater only when on shore or genset power.
>
> When os temps are below freezing I monitor the temperature near the

tanks and wet bay with a remote thermometer.

> The LP furnace, which I sometimes operate while driving, has never

failed to keep things from freezing, but I have never camped in temps colder
than 15 deg F.

> I winterize the water and sewer systems if it will be colder than that.
> Mel S
> '96 Safari
>

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Rick,
Back in November I installed a 12 VDC RoadPro 180 watt heater into my
service bay. The OEM heater was tossed into the trash back in 2003 when I
first bought the coach. It was a rusted POS that was taking up space in one
of the storage bays.
Since the wiring was already there, all I needed was an automotive relay
that I purchased from NAPA as the OEM heater had one built inside. It is
activated with the existing snap disc if I have turned on the System Heat
switch located up front.
I can send you photos of the install if you'd like to see them.
I can't help you with the tank bay heaters as they are usually installed at
the factory. I have the Aqua-Hot so my tank bay is heated with an Aqua-Hot
radiator.
Richard

02 Windsor PBT
From: Monacoers@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Monacoers@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Rick Nelson
Sent: Tuesday, March 19, 2013 3:26 PM
To: Monacoers@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Monacoers] Bay Heater
Bill,

I have a solution for when I have 120 VAC power. I'm looking for one
that doesn't require the inverter (poor way of heating) for when I'm
driving down the road.

Rick N.

On 3/19/2013 2:19 PM, Bill Duckwitz wrote:
>
> Rick,
>
> Trying to copy the company solution is not only difficult but not
> cost effective and not reliable.
>
> Get a plastic light bulb cage/socket with a short pigtail that you
> can put a standard plug on. They are available at HD and probably
> Lowe's. Now get an inline thermostat at HD and plug the light into
> it. Run an extension cord over from the bay with the outlet to
> supply the power. All done and a 52 watt light bulb will supply
> plenty of heat to below zero ambient tempratures.
>
> Bill D.
>
> At 01:41 PM 3/19/2013, you wrote:
> >Has anyone here added a heater to the wet bay on their coach? Mine
> >didn't come with one. I think I've read that they consisted of a snap
> >disc as a thermostat to control when they went on and off. I've also
> >read about heat strips/pads applied directly to the tanks (not sure if
> >just the fresh water tank or the holding tanks too). I think there is
> >also some sort of electric fan assisted heater to keep the plumbing from
> >freezing in the bay.
> >
> >I'm not sure it's cost efficient to try to duplicate exactly what Monaco
> >installed, but I do need something. I had success with installing a
> >small 110VAC space heater in the bay this past fall, when temps got down
> >to below freezing at night. I think I could maintain the bay area above
> >35 degrees even in sub zero temps with that little heater. I'm not sure
> >that maintaining the bay are temp would ensure the holding tanks won't
> >freeze, nor the water heater tank if not on. But I'm can't (won't) run
> >that while driving. Last January, I left home with a winterized coach
> >and didn't unwinterize (or is it dewinterize?) until 2 days later, in
> >Phoenix, because I was concerned about freezing while driving. I don't
> >(haven't needed to) run the furnace while driving. Especially if it's
> >warm when I depart, and there is any sun out, the dash heat and solar
> >gain are sufficient to keep me warm while driving. But, the wet bay get
> >cold - below freezing while driving since there is no supplemental heat.
> > I checked the Parts List, and it shows the snap disk, and two Bay
> >Heaters, the original Monaco 3000RV Cargo Bay Heater (which I've read is
> >now out of business) and a Family Safety Products link to a Back Seat
> >Heater Plus 12 Volt. I can find that heater. But I find no mention of
> >the heat pads/strips that apply directly to the tank. I know there are
> >generic heat strips, but I don't know how hot they get. I don't want to
> >melt my tanks! Also, I'm not sure of their availability in 12 VDC.
> >
> >Any recommendations or guidance from the group would be wonderful.
> >
> >Along these lines, does anyone know if there is a vent for the furnace
> >(no AquaHot) into the bay for when parked and furnace is running? I
> >know I can use a 110 VAC space heater there, but wondered if Monaco made
> >any provisions for heating the bay other than relying on the 12 Volt
> >heater and pads?
> >
> >Thanks,
> >
> > -Rick N.
> >1997 32-ft Dynasty, 325 Cummins
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >------------------------------------
> >
> >Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
>
>

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Les,

Would he have ever made it without Charles Steinmetz?

If Edison couldn't do the math, he (GE) was smart enough to get someone who could.

Bill G

On Mar 19, 2013, at 11:47 AM, Leslie O Stallings <les@...> wrote:

> Jeff, the AC – DC battle began with Edison and Tesla. Thomas Edison wanted
> DC to be the standard while Nikola Tesla, a former Edison employee, was
> pushing AC. Bottom line was that it is easier to produce AC and it is more
> efficient to raise the voltage on AC and transmit it over long distances.
> Edison had to fold and lost his company, now called GE. Nikola Tesla teamed
> up with Westinghouse.
>
>
>
> AC was/is great for power hungry components like large appliances. With the
> miniaturization of most things we call electronics nowadays, DC is the
> norm. Many TVs now have the AC to DC converter built into the power cord or
> in the set itself. Your CPAP is like that.
>
>
>
> Ironically, the new Tesla Motor Company has produced an award winning all
> electric car, the “Tesla Model S” and it is powered by DC motors. Nikola is
> rolling over in his grave

>
>
>
> Les Stallings
>
>
>
> *From:* Monacoers@yahoogroups.com [

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I have a 2003 HR Traveler; which is similar to a Safari Trek. On the Traveler the cargo heater was optional and mine did not have one. However I had the switch to control a bay heater in my coach. Then on further inspection I looked in the wet bay and found all the wiring was there to hook up the heater.

This past winter someone had some "new old stock" cargo heat units for sale on Ebay. I purchased one and bought a snap disk thermostat from radio Shack and it works great!

So poke around in your wet bay to see if the wiring is actually there... you may get lucky.

With my unit parked, I have a brooder lamp with a 150 watt bulb in it. I have a remote thermometer and it is generally good for about a 10 degree improvement.

Some of the older Safari Treks have a slide opening on the heating ductwork that can be opened and it will allow the central heating to go into the wet bay.

I thought you might benefit from some of this information... hopefully it will warm up enough soon and it will not matter!

Pat

2003 HR Traveler